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Post by csmaclaren on Apr 20, 2009 22:38:12 GMT
I did not save enough of newimage58's images in order to show that identical photos were used by more than one eBay I.D.
I'll thus concede to those who disagree with me, but I would strongly encourage people to take note that the country specified in "Item location" can be falsified - unless people have actually received packages from actual countries of origin.
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Post by csmaclaren on Apr 20, 2009 22:39:07 GMT
Runriott,
So was CAP doing so legitimately as in the fashion of TE2 who had permission from TE?
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Post by runnriottt on Apr 21, 2009 0:54:51 GMT
Your definition of legitimate would base my answer. All opinions are diffrent on what is "Legit".
He cast a set of TE armor and helmet. This was during the time when no TE stuff was being sold in good time frames,With the problems TE was having, wanting out, selling molds. The transition and fall out period.
Once TE2 started up, the shadow fell again.
It gets messy when TE wants back in the game. Who does he go to? CAP. CAP is pulling sharp armor and helmets. Gets the deal going to "legitimize" CAP with the shipment of some plastic. 5 or so helmets and 2 suits. TE sold those helmets as his own, complete with sigs on the inside.
Most famous, the pink one.
CAP is to ship the final suit this spring...
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Post by Defstartrooper on Apr 21, 2009 1:01:19 GMT
CAP openly said himself on a couple of forums he recast TE armour without permission. TE apparently now has no issue with CAP recasting him so i guess the question everyone needs to ask is if they have an issue dealing with someone that openly said he was a recaster.
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Post by runnriottt on Apr 21, 2009 1:07:37 GMT
I agree. It comes from your view point of the TE - Gino Feud and who has "rights" to mold what.
The CAP helmet is the one piece of my collection that gets folk spooled up. If I would have bought a TE during that time, even though it was a CAP, No one would complain.
I went to the source.
This is the same situation as RT and Laws. No one bashes them...
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Post by Defstartrooper on Apr 21, 2009 1:16:29 GMT
Sorry but i don't think it is the same i don't ever recall RT or Laws proclaiming in public they recast someone without permission and that they don't care. To me it doesn't matter what deal CAP now has with TE the fact is he openly said he's a recaster and he see's it as ok.
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Post by runnriottt on Apr 21, 2009 1:20:55 GMT
The difference here is CAP admitted how it all started.
At least the man came clean. So, if truth remains hidden its ok?
Now I might understand the HAT code so revered. Lie.
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Post by Defstartrooper on Apr 21, 2009 1:40:27 GMT
If you have a claim that RT or Laws are recasters feel free to open a thread and explain why.
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Post by monkeytrooper on Apr 21, 2009 2:30:39 GMT
RT did come out and said that he recast the TE face after he and TE had a deal. Is he a recaster, not in my eyes. He's sculpted an entire suit and helmet from scratch, but did recast the TE face for his newer helmets. But he worked something out with TE and now had "permission".
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Post by Defstartrooper on Apr 21, 2009 2:35:23 GMT
Recast it after he made a deal with TE ? in other words it's a recast but with permission ? CAP clearly stated he recast TE without permission that he didn't care and he saw no problem with it.
Anyway lets try keep this thread on topic from now.
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Post by monkeytrooper on Apr 21, 2009 4:30:29 GMT
No, RT recast the face, offered helmets, then made a deal with TE.
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Post by csmaclaren on Apr 21, 2009 5:10:34 GMT
As far as I know, Laws does have permission from TE to use the face. TE said this in passing in a conversation we had last year.
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Post by fon on Apr 21, 2009 5:24:08 GMT
Ok I'm very glad to have seen some of the info shared here. I thank you runnriottt, and monkeytrooper for shedding some light on the actual twisted history here. I do understand why you have the grumble, as do I now. All of this has become a tangled mess, woven by Matt.. it's pure bollocks! That was my reply to the "Hello kitty" helmet. I was surprised to see the left tube (as wearing) was propperly shaped. None of the TE HDPE helmets has a correct left tube. The actual face plate mould that was made was way off in this area. That is why I was shocked at that one.. It makes sense now. I think the CAP helmets look good, the eyes are a tad over touched however. Even so, I wouldn't buy one though. Due to my personal feelings regarding how it came about. The best helmet I've seen is the Gino V2 stunt. Although the tear bumps are minimal, its still tied extremely close to an original. It actually feels, and looks the part like no other I've seen. But the biggie for me was the fact no toes were jumped on to have it made. Gino and his partner bought and owned THE moulds first, after TE initially left the hobby. In any mould sale situation on the rpf, that would gaurantee them as the rights holders for all subsequent castings. GF (now AP) was double dutched by Matt and ended up buying the moulds/rights at the same time as Gino, so to be fair he gained rights also. Thats where things fall so far a-stray. Matt has whored out the whole "who has rights", off to anyone who can make him a quick buck, even though he lost them inhis sale to gino, and GF. Now we're left here today, in this messed up situation to sort everything out. A complete shame EDIT: Spelling
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Post by fon on Apr 21, 2009 7:35:24 GMT
So this is what I make of the history so far...
- Gino and a partner bought the original moulds from Matt. Thus with them went the Brian R helmet, and armour cast rights.
- GF Also bought the rights to the moulds at the same time as Gino, but Matt must have given him a deal since he only sent a rubbish suit to be copied and reproduced.
**Either way Matt lost his control over the trooper suits at this point.**
- Matt received both amounts of monies for ONE set of rights. When caught, Matt said GINO was to produce ROTJ, and GF ANH. According to Gino this was not in the deal. I don't see how it could have been if Gino also recieved a set of part-way ANH converted moulds aswell???
- TE came back on the scene with a new "restored suit". That included the missing bicep and calf section. According to Gino these NEW moulds were recast BY Matt off of an old GF set.. then had tour suit parts added. This is where GF and Gino would be quite angered I'm guessing. Matt did this even though he no longer had any Rights to produce suits.. with the exception of the new tour suit parts since they were a new find.
- Somewhere here (its a bit fuzzy) TE needed help from Gino, so in exchange Gino got to use the bumpy back/cap mould... then it was damaged and the real bickering began.
- Then RTMOD did the deed and recast an old faceplate, without knowledge of the HAT principle. By rights the only one allowed to produce, or give the O-K would have been GF and Gino. TE jumped in and hit him up for some cash, and then gave him a FALSE pass.
- Then CAP with proper knowledge, openly recast a suit because he didn't agree with the cost of such items. TE (later on) swooped in when he needed a buck, and was able to score a few suits, and conn people into thinking they were his own, going so far as to sign them.
- TE began work on getting the SFS helmet reproduced. These digital files were never ment to be used this way according to Mverta. Who was the one who contracted/paid Matt, and Gentle Giant for the laser scann of the original helmet.
- Matt decided to leave again, and sold his new "restored" moulds to TE2. As above, these moulds were recast and by rights should not be. So here TE2 thinking he was buying THE moulds and THE original hobby rights, was actually conned for a LARGE large some of money. Except on the SFS mould that was included aswell. Which although is in fact original in its own way, it still comes from a broken promise.. to not be reproduced.
-Now is when Matt begins work on Vac moulds from TE2 own SFS moulds. Thus recasting him. However TE2 being the insanely great guy that he is, may have gave Matt the go ahead to help him out financialy. These are used for the HDPE helmets, then the moulds are sold on. I know where they went, but I don't know if I have permission to divulge that. Dan seems to have an SFS facepate also, so here Matt may have taken a 2nd Copy of his HDPE mould for dan - or it could be on loan from the bloke who bought the HDPE moulds. I'm not sure there.
- I'll add in LAWS here as I'm unsure of where to put him to be honest. Dan has worked with TE from the first moulds taken of the original suit I think. So being a close friend of TE, Dan was given the go ahead to work on all the other characters Matt wasn't into him self. Since he was a huge help to Matt he was given full permission of the original style moulds to do as he wished. This includes producing a new ANH suit thats soon to be revealed. **This is my own idea of whats happened, and may not be 100% correct, however either way the core is correct. TE has given Dan permission to use the faceplate, and now armour**
- Now TE is producing ROTJ armour. Where this one comes from is unknow by me, I'd guess at an old TE ROTJ recast, but cannot say 100%.
So now we are here... with the one fact that the whole trooper moulds biz has been a sham. Run by the one guy who lost all permission when he sold the moulds the first time round. No wonder everyone cannot make head nor tails of this whole mess.. its all back stage deals
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Post by monkeytrooper on Apr 21, 2009 12:19:26 GMT
A couple minor corrections and questions to your excellent time line Fon.
While CAP recast the TE suit/helmet before TE2 was around the deal between them for 2 suits and a stack of helmets was made after TE2 bought the molds.
Also I got an email from Laws about a year ago saying that he had broken ties with Matt.
It's also thought by some that the new ROTJ armor that looks surprisingly ANH like is actually recast CAP from deal they made.
And whatever happened to the mold for the fiberglass STS helmets? Did TE keep that while Laws got a positive mold to make helmets???
But your 100% correct, Mat thas made a huge mess of the trooper hobby, and it will never be resolved to everyones liking.
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